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I need some ideas for connecting 2 IP cameras of different power requirements to a single Ethernet port on my DVR/NVR allowing the remaining Ethernet port for the DVR/NVR to connect to my DSL modem in another room.

The DVR/NVR model is “HYBDVR-FEo16480”, cam 1-16 are analog only, 17-32 are IP.
There are 7 total analog cameras connected, and 2 total IP cameras connected.

The 1st IP camera is called camera #17 on the DVR/NVR and is a model “ELI-SIP-EMVD-21-4R”, 12 V DC power requirement, and now powered by a POE-4G1G switch, PoE = 802.3af-2003, 15.4 Watts per channel. DVR/NVR Ethernet port 1 connects to the POE-4G1G switch.

The 2nd IP camera is called camera #18 on the DVR/NVR and is a model “IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O”, 24 V DC power requirement, and now powered by a model “A12-3A-10” Transformer 24 VAC 1500 mA output, connected at the camera to its power terminal pigtail plug. The camera is connected to the DVR/NVR by a 100’ or so CAT5 wire run into DVR/NVR Ethernet port 2.

The DSL Modem model “PK5001Z”, is located in an other room 35’ away from the DVR/NVR. Connection is made currently by disconnecting cam #18 at the DVR/NVR Ethernet port 1 and then plugging in a CAT5 wire from the DSL Modem to the DVR/NVR Ethernet port 1. This access the DVR/NVR to 2 home computers and the internet service provider.

For camera config. to be made, the RJ-45 plug is moved from the DVR/NVR Ethernet port 1 or 2 depending on the camera being programmed, and connected to the RJ-45 wall plug receptacle connecting the DSL Modem and so the home network browsers.

Problem is that the current setup will not allow for internet or home net connection and both IP cameras to run at the same time. I hope to solve this by finding a suitable method to connect both IP cameras into DVR/NVR Ethernet port 2, leaving Ethernet port 1 open for the modem connection.

What I am looking for is how to do this at the best value, and/or with the fewest number of devices.

Below are options I am wondering about.

Option #1, can the “IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O” camera be powered by the “A12-3A-10” Transformer 24 VAC 1500 mA output, and then CAT5 connected to the “POE-4G1G” switch, with the “ELI-SIP-EMVD-21-4R” also connected to the “POE-4G1G” and then that switch connected to Ethernet port 2 on the DVR/NVR? Or will that setup burnout something? It sounds like that is what will happen from what I have heard?

Option #2 suggested by Ted in another post, [IP cameras have missing recording blocks, cctv],
“…it looks to me like your best solution would be to get an 8 port POE switch that has 4 POE ports and 4 standard ports. That way you can connect the PTZ to a non – POE port, and SIP-EMVD-21 cam to the POE side. Then you can run all IP cams in that switch to the 2nd NIC on the NVR. That leaves your fist NIC to connect to your home network.”
I do not see one of these 4 POE ports and 4 standard ports switches on the SCK site, is there a model and seller recommendation for this device?
Option #3, SCK’s new 8 Port POE Plus Switch With 1 MB Up-link, Product# POE-8MB1P, this looks like it would do the job, but I can not find any info on the total power budget for the switch. Under the spec PoE Power it list 25.5W per port (IEEE802.3at), so 8 ports at 25.5 Watts would take 204 Watts, + I think the switch also takes some power to run? So what is the total power output available? How is the port power set, is it automatically set by the device, or? I couldn’t find the info in the specs on the sales page? The Standard shows both PoE 802.3af and 802.3at. However the network ports list 8 10/1000 Mbps auto-sensing Fast Ethernet plus Ethernet Ports (802.3at), but nothing about auto-sensing 802.3af Ethernet Ports? And what is the max CAT5 wire run that 802.3at power can handle? I am looking at something like 100 to 130 feet to the “IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O” camera.

Option #4, can both my “POE-4G1G” switch with the “ELI-SIP-EMVD-21-4R” and the “IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O” powered by its 24 V DC transformer be run into a non powered switch and then to the DVR/NVR port 2? I am thinking that a non powered switch might be the best bang for the buck.

Option #5, if option #4 doesn’t work, is there a smart PoE switch out there that will supply both PoE 802.3af, 15.4 Watts, and PoE Plus 802.3at, 25.5 Watts, as required by the cameras or end devices? Or that allows setting port power output by the user? Or a PoE with both 802.3af-2003, 15.4 Watts and 802.3at-2009, 25.5 Watts ports on it?

FYI, I have attached a rough schmatic below of how my system is setup at the moment in order to try to help you visualize what I am talking about. Hope that helps.

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Best recommendation is none of the above

 

Option 6:

A. Plug this switch into ethernet port 2, its non poe so you can run your ptz right to it and keep the ptz powered by its power supply.

http://www.securitycameraking……-prd1.html

B. Plug your POE switch into the regular switch above, and the ELI cam into the POE switch.

C.Plug your home network connection from the modem into ethernet port 1. 

 

All set 🙂

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Hello sir,

We recommend to connect your IP cams is to connect them into the POE switch and the POE switch into Ethernet port number 2. Ethernet port number 1 will be connected to your network. We call it “Dual NIC connection” and you can read about it here: The Advantages of an NVR with Dual NICs This article will guide you. Let us know if you need additional help.

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Thanks Dan & Arthur!

However I see conflicting information between post 2 & 3 if I understand them correctly?

[Post 2 says] to (1) plug the transformer powered “IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O” into the non powered “5 Port Gigabit Switch, Product #Switch-5G”, (2) the “ELI-SIP-EMVD-21-4R” into the “PoE-4G1G” switch, & then (3) the “PoE-4G1G” into the “5 Port Gigabit Switch, Product #Switch-5G”. (4) the “5 Port Gigabit Switch, Product #Switch-5G” into ethernet port 2 on the DVR? As I was asking in my option #4, which I believe is the same as Dan’s option 6:. So this option requires a new piece of hardware, being SCK’s “5 Port Gigabit Switch, Product #Switch-5G”?

[Post 3 says] (1) plug the transformer powered “IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O” into the “PoE-4G1G” switch, (2) the “ELI-SIP-EMVD-21-4R” into the “PoE-4G1G” switch, (3) the “PoE-4G1G” Switch into ethernet port 2 on the DVR? As I was asking in my option #1. This option would allow using my existing equipment, but I was worried that it might burnout something?

If there is not a potential problem with power overload to SCK’s “5 Port Gigabit Switch, Product #Switch-5G” by connecting both the transformer powered “IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O” & the powered “PoE-4G1G” switch with the “ELI-SIP-EMVD-21-4R” into it, I am thinking this might be the safest? As long as there is not going to be a multiplier in the power coming out of the “Switch-5G” to either the DVR or to anything else plugged into the “Switch-5G” that could blow out something? I do not know the details on how the “PoE-4G1G” or “Switch-5G” work when it comes to sorting out power flow, so that is why I am asking all these probably dumb sounding question here.

Am I safe to reason that it would be OK in the future to add more, say transformer powered “IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O” cameras into the “5 Port Gigabit Switch, Product #Switch-5G”?

I sure do like that PTZ camera by the way. Really good video quality not only daytime, but the night video is a vast improvement.

Thank you Art for the link to that article, it really helps me get a better grasp on how the DVR works. It also confirms my DVR’s TCP/IP Network menu is configured correctly.

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Hi sir,

If your looking for a guaranteed fix without risk of damage to the POE switch I would encourage you to go with the option I recommended.  

 

However it is possible to use just the ptz with the regular power supply and still have it connect to the ptz but you do run some element of risk.

 

Glad we could help!

 

As for the mic…perhaps this will help…at least help eliminate the possibility of issues with physical connections.

http://www.securitycameraking……ra-system/

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Thanks Dan,

Indeed I am looking for a guaranteed fix without risk of damage to the POE switch, or cameras and DVR for that matter.

For the price of SCK’s “5 Port Gigabit Switch, Product #Switch-5G” I will consider it then to be very cost effective insurance!  Thanks

Am I safe then to reason that it will be OK to add more transformer powered “IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O” cameras into the “5 Port Gigabit Switch, Product #Switch-5G” later on with this?

Also, thanks for the link to the “How to Connect a Microphone to a Security Camera System” article. It is a big help.

However the article said “For our cameras at SecurityCameraKing.com, the only IP cameras that accept video are the ones listed in this illustration and the next one” and list “IPVD-EL3MPIR, IPBC-EL2MP, IPBC-EL3MP, IPOB-EL2MPIR50L3312, and for all IPPTZs.

I hope this article was prior to stocking the SIP-EMVD-21-4R camera, as it was advertised as microphone capable? It does have pigtails with audio in and audio out on the camera. So should it work with my FEo16480 Hybrid?

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My pleasure,

 

You could hold more IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O on Switch-5G just fine.

 

The article is a bit fair bit older and should still be accurate for that camera regardless.

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Thanks again Dan,

I am working with Dan Maresca & Jessica to resolve recording issues on my SIP-EMVD-21-4R camera right now and will try to resolve that before moving forward with the audio problem.

Getting hard to keep track of just what changes I make to the camera, so try the one at a time.

Should have the switch online and both cameras running into Ethernet port 2 on the DVR pretty soon too, so can finalize this Topic about that problem with a report of how it works out.

Thank You again!

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Got the non-power switch today, hooked up as per your instructions, both cameras now on DVR ethernet port 2, and port 1 again is connected to LAN.

I had to make the IP address change for my IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O using the DVR’s Main>Settings>Remote menu, I couldn’t find it using either the IP Search.exe tool or the Net_Admin search.exe tool on my computer?

It worked by changing the IP from 192.168.1.18, (the DVR/cam address), to 192.168.0 (the LAN address), but is that the correct procedure? What will it take to connect to the camera through the LAN to make settings in the future if they are needed?

I am asking because I thought the IP search tools are where you make the IP address changes for IP cameras? That’s the drill SCK folks had me do in the past. Am I in for problems in the future to log into the PTZ?

Only been less than a day running the new setup, but no problems yet.

Thanks Dan for the instruction.

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Connecting a camera to the 2nd nick will essentially take the camera to a dif. subnet. You cannot access the camera on the normal net if you connect it this way. To access the camera directly you will need to remove it add it to the correct IP scheme with the search tools. 

The 2nd NIC is used for Load Balancing which is how you have the camera connected and it is good practice. Cool

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The instructions I got to access the “ELI-SIP-EMVD-21-4R” and the “IPOB-TR2MP250L660-W”cameras was as you describe, to move them from the DVR to my LAN modem, access  the “ELI-SIP-EMVD-21-4R” using the IP Search.exe tool, and the “IPOB-TR2MP250L660-W” using the Net_Admin search.exe tool using my computer on my LAN and change the camera IP address to match my LAN.

The “IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O”, configure was done remote connection to my computer by a SCK tech support folks, I thought using one of those tools? Assume not since I can not access the camera using either one now.

 How do I access this tool? I don’t know where the config tool you speak of is found, or if it is an exe file what it is named?

Please advise, thanks.

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The camera is currently connected to the 2ND NIC. And configured to the 2nd NIC’s Ip scheme. You shouldnt have to do anything else. 

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The cameras still have not been set to optimal settings for recording, there are still issues with recording quality that need to be adjusted.

To do this I need to log into the IP cameras.

I am able to log into the “ELI-SIP-EMVD-21-4R” camera using the IP Search.exe tool, and Jessica is helping me to get that troubled camera working. And so far so good except for getting the audio to work. I am still working with the fps & bit rate settings for optimal performance. But at least it has stopped dropping the recordings as horribly as it had been prior to Jessica’s help.

But now with both IP cameras connected into port 2 on the DVR, the “IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O” PTZ is not working as well as it had been when it had all of port 1 to it’s self.

To tweak the PTZ, I assume I have to log into it also, or is this camera different than the other 2 IP cams I bought from you?

I have still to get the audio hooked up to the PTZ, and imagine I may have to make settings for that also by logging on to it.

I know that is what I have to do to work with the “ELI-SIP-EMVD-21-4R”.

When I connect the PTZ to my modem, it is not found, because the IP address is set for the DVR and not my modem.

How do I log into the “IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O” camera. Where is the config tool you speak of for this camera to set IP address settings?

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Download : ConfigTool V2.0

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Power and non-powered switch hook-up been working great for several months now to run my 12VDC & 24VDC IP cameras into port 1 on my DVR?NVR, allowing DVR port 2 for my LAN.

Config Tool download fixed that issue.

Only real remaining problem is my ELI-SIP-EMVD-21R camera drops recording  during the search review. I wrote more about this in another up-date I just made to another post I had made in the past about this particular cameras operational problems.

Thanks for the help getting some of the bugs worked out!

And I must say, I really like that “IPPTZ-EL2MPL-12X-Mni-O” PTZ camera in the months I have had it now.

Night vision on it is great in addition to the daylight stuff.

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