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Just hooked up 2 cams to new NVR and the motion detect fails to hold, can’t change constant record to motion detect only. I find it frustrating to not have control of ip cameras from the NVR gui. Do I really have access the cameras first make changes the hook them back up to the NVR. Why can’t the NVR make and hold changes to the cameras that are connected to it. Pictures look clear but I do not have control of the cameras. 

At one point I had motion detect. Config ip 192xxxxxfor cams is different than the ip for same cams in NVR 10xxxxx

Used analog DVRs for years and now with NVR its like starting all over. 

Can someone lay out the proper procedure to getting ip cam control in NVR.

I know I am missing the concept and hoped set up would be intuitive for nvr.

1 first thing to do is……..

2 thing to do is ……

3 thing to do is….

(if I am not able to figure it out then a lot of other people are stuck like me)

I have been all over cctv forums and videos. Yes they are a help. But I still need some flow chart on setup. 

Thanks

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One thing you can do is to simply set a computer for DHCP in the network settings and connect it to the PoE portion of the NVR.  This will allow you to be on the same network and log directly into the cameras to make changes.  With the cameras you need to enable motion detection through the web service of the camera directly.  Once enabled you can activate it in the NVR itself.

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I dont want to do that. There must be a better way to get control of my ip cams than have to change my computer to dhcp.

( i don’t want to gum up my computer)

Setting up ip cams should not be so tech intensive.

Proper complete answers for new people should be easy to find on forums.

RYAN I do appreciate your idea about change my computer to dhcp to access ip cams in the NVR.

But what a bunch a hoops you have to jump through.

That NVR should just do it all for you or why is it there?

Sorry, I’m frustrated and time is a wasting.

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Good morning Jer, I see you have EL series cameras you are able to configure the settings fron the NVR. If your using an NVR with Builtin POE then your putting the IP cameras on a totally different network, thats the advantage of those systems your not having major band width consumption. 

Great article on the set up

http://www.securitycameraking……amera-nvr/

http://www.securitycameraking……to-an-nvr/

http://www.securitycameraking……oe-switch/

Hope this helps have a great weekend.

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Gilberto

I will check out these links you provided and I will get back to you within a couple of hours to see if I can figure it motion detect and ip cam setup in nvr.

Right now Im off to breakfast and will dive into your links and hopefully I will learn how to do this setup. But you do understand I was hoping to get it all done within the NVR and then move on to more cameras. 

Plus the fan on that NVR is loud. It is humming at a good pace. My 8 ch DVR is quiet. The NVR is in my bedroom and makes background noise with the fan while watching tv. Just an observation, I know it has to stay cool. But louder than my computer fan. 

Thanks and have a good weekend yourself.

Jer

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Perfect, remember we are here for you every step of the way, if you like one of our Techs to remotely log into your system please don’t hesitate to give us a call or chat, we are like the Marines we don’t leave anyone behind. LOL Talk to you soon.

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Gilberto

I checked out all 3 solutions to ip cam configuring from in and out of NVR. 

I don’t like it. It’s too much work. 

The NVR should override the camera software. 

The NVR should tell the cameras what to do and not the other way around. 

Surely someone is writing a program to make it simple to run IP CAMS FROM THE NVR without this back and forth, do this before hand and make sure you do that. Too much work for IP Cams versus Analog Cams.

Yes the picture is better with megapixel cams but just setting up requires a degree in Computer Electronics. 

I will just leave the NVR on constant record and forget about Motion Detection. 

You guys have been professional and very polite.

I will attack this problem later.

Thanks

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The thing about IP cameras are that they are the main device doing all of the encoding and processing of the video.  The NVR in these cases are just a recording device.

Remember every IP camera is a computer that is putting information on the network and the NVR is listening to the network and storing this information.  This is why you need to go through the camera to tell it how to function.  While the EL series cameras are more compatible, there is no perfect solution to not need to configure the camera before attaching it to the NVR.

Setup doesn’t take a computer degree, just patience and a little time.  That is if you are not OK with just 24 hour record or the factory settings. 

Now if you want true motion detection with that NVR you should look at using the alarm inputs on the recorder and adding PIRs or photobeams.

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Ryan you are correct. I agree with you on everything you said. I”m better at Analog cams than Ip cams. And  no I can’t settle for constant recording. Here is what I did and it seems to work.

My goal was to get motion detect to work in ip cams that were already connected to POE built into dvr.

Plugged Ip cam into external switch.

Entered modem/router found new ip address for ip cam

Used config tools from SCK to assign new found ip address to ip cam (with gateway too)

Opened web interface, enable motion detect, save and log out.

Unplug ip cam from external switch, plug into poe of NVR, then enable motion detect and save. Disabled constant record. Done.

Checked for recent footage for motion detect and it worked.

Question? Is the sensitivity for motion detect stuck at the settings on the camera or can you change that at the NVR?

And how can I know if changes I make in the NVR for other things are actually happening to the camera?

I did learn a lot on the record weekly daily enable disable event storage menus. Seems too complicated and needs useful info there to make it user friendlier. I know the manuals are there but they lack explanation at times.

Once again thanks everyone for your help. I had a piece of sand in my eye all day and this did not help me with my patience.

One thing good about SCK.com is the help after the sale. Corny but true!

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That is definitely the other way to do it.  I am glad you were able to get it to work.

 

Once the motion is enabled in the cameras, you will have the ability to change some more features of the camera in the NVRs interface. 

 

The way to tell if the settings are taking place is to save everything, logout and then log back into to the settings page and verify they are were you left them. 

 

Thank you, we are always here for you and will always help you find a solution to your problem. 

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I’ve gone through the saame problems with learning how to set up IP cams and moving over from just installing analog or HD-CVI cams. What I keep telling myself is that the installation process is way easier, pulling cat5 to each camera and plugging it in is way easier and faster than running siamese and a seperate power supply, especially when running through conduit. I have kinda created my own steps for installing IP cameras, only because I have had to make several trips back to a customer’s property to change a setting.

1. make sure all cameras are on the network and are displaying through the NVR.

2. Network the NVR so it can be seen remotely.

3. Change the time and date.

4. Log into each camera and enable motion detection and make sure that the date and time are set correctly. I like to use the “sync to PC” button because then everything is perfectly sync-ed.

5. Make sure to set the schedule for each camera to record on motion or constant.

6. Adjust cameras physically so that they are aiming at what you want.

7. Return to the NVR interface and make sure that the cameras ae recording in motion or constant or the way that you want. Also make sure that the encoding is right for all cameras and the sub stream is set low enough to give a great video and still stream good on the customers phone or tablet.

8. Drink a beer and relax. Everything else can be done remotely from here on out.

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Thanks Nighthawk.

I did get the motion detect to work fine. And I did sync the time for each camera.

But I am stuck at number 2. Getting to view NVR locally through PSS. Got it internally on phone. No external at all.

Number 8 is fine also. Got beer!

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Are you trying to use PSS on the same network as the NVR? If so, you need to use the local address for the NVR. The cameras will have a totally different sequence, 10.0.0.?. If it is a POE NVR, the POE switch that is built into the NVR will have its own network. 

I just configured an NVR to view on my laptop and it worked fine. The NVR is off network and I am using a public address. Also, I have an old version on my laptop v4.06. 

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I am using the local IP for the NVR. PSS is on my desktop on the same network as NVR. I have a DVR and a NVR on same network. The ports for the NVR 47777 and 47778 to avoid conflict with first DVR. (i have two DVRs at work and can view them just fine from PSS 4.06 on desktop externally) I use PSS 4.06, just because I’m used to it more than Smart PSS.

POE is built into the NVR, am aware that cams are 10xxxxx, but I’m just using the local ip address to see the cameras. I don’t use the cams address, right? I use the NVR local ip for local viewing. 

Here is the setup. Router has 4 ports

Port 1 to DVR analog

Port 2 computer

Port 3 another computer

Port 4 to switch 8 port, 1 port to NVR and 2 port to Roku

I have put NVR straight to router port but to no avail. Also I can view NVR locally on smartphone just not with PSS locally.

I have done two DVRs on same network before and this NVR is not cooperating.

Jerry in Orlando

Just for kicks I’m going to download Smart PSS cause I have no other ideas. 

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I am using the local IP for the NVR. PSS is on my desktop on the same network as NVR. I have a DVR and a NVR on same network. The ports for the NVR 47777 and 47778 to avoid conflict with first DVR. (i have two DVRs at work and can view them just fine from PSS 4.06 on desktop externally) I use PSS 4.06, just because I’m used to it more than Smart PSS.

POE is built into the NVR, am aware that cams are 10xxxxx, but I’m just using the local ip address to see the cameras. I don’t use the cams address, right? I use the NVR local ip for local viewing. 

Here is the setup. Router has 4 ports

Port 1 to DVR analog

Port 2 computer

Port 3 another computer

Port 4 to switch 8 port, 1 port to NVR and 2 port to Roku

I have put NVR straight to router port but to no avail. Also I can view NVR locally on smartphone just not with PSS locally.

I have done two DVRs on same network before and this NVR is not cooperating.

Jerry in Orlando

Just for kicks I’m going to download Smart PSS cause I have no other ideas. 

Yes, you do use the local IP addressfor viewing. make sure that you change the port in the device manager to 47777 when adding the NVR to PSS also. I believe the type of device will change from IP camera to NVR automatically.

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Got Smart PSS to view NVR locally.

That’s good news.

Progress

Jerry

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One of the lessons learned on this thread. On brighthouse modem/router use virtual server to port forward not port triggering. I tried both ways and only virtual server worked.

Make sure you point each port needed to the correct ip address of DVR or NVR individually. Example 37777 tcp forward/point to DVR ip 192.xxxxx and second NVR 47777 to its ip 192.yyyyyyy. Same for 37778 47778 tcp or udp or both for each machine. 

Set up your IP cameras first (motion detect, recording schedule, resolution, etc) on local switch before you hook them up to NVR POE. This allows better control of IP cam when you do hook it to NVR with POE.

When you do succeed and solve your problem, take the time to post your solution on the forum so other people can see what you did and they can learn from it. Example don’t just fix the problem and then not post the solution or answer. We can all be teachers in this forum. Lord knows you guys have helped me a lot.

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Good lesson learned. Each ISP has a differnet router and each router has a different technique to opening ports. Once we figure this part out we can refer back to step 8.

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I did receive two days ago the same 8 ch POE NVR and is beyond me the fact that the NVR cannot overwrite the settings on the IP cameras. Very disappointing and NOT convenient at all.

Plus the fact that the MD e-mails I get with the NVR don’t include the snapshot image even though the cameras and the NVR are configured to include the snapshot image.

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What do you mean by “NVR cannot overwrite the settings on the IP cameras”. Also What cameras are you using that you are not receiving a snapshot? Are they ONVIF or our EL series IPC?

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